[Tainojim]

As the old saying goes "don't knock them till you've tried them" does not apply to cymbals at all. Fact is to keep away from sales on cymbal packs especially Zildjian and Paiste. A lot of new drummers fall into the sales and the pitch. So the bottom line, "It's A Matter of Taste", whether it's Zildjian, Paiste, or The Joe Shmo brand. Ive tried them all in my over 50 years (not over the hill) "That's to all the young whipper snappers out there in forum land". Try it, if you like it buy it, but don't knock it.