[Drum Master 1]

Woo... I hear some angry tones, I must have struck a nerve...look I don't mind you pushing your barrow and putting affiliate links in your posts to make a Dollar or two... But please get your facts right, and stop embarrassing yourself. You've already admitted you know nothing about cymbal making. Anybody can copy and paste info from a manufacturers website.

So lets tone it down a notch and listen to someone who does know, someone who has nothing to sell and no axe to grind. Then you might learn something.

I'm sorry if that sounds condescending, but here's the facts:

Paiste cymbals do none of the things you just mentioned. Their manufacturing process is unique and quite different. They press their cymbals from industrial alloy sheets that is supplied to Paiste in huge rolls, to their specifications. The same way car panels are stamped out. This process means that they get uniformity right across their range. Even the hammering is mechanical and even.

This process is like stamping out saucepans, but its cheap and their price reflects that. Also every cymbal of a given size will sound identical. That ideal from a manufacturers point of view, but unfortunately they sound nasty, a lot like my Grandmothers tin tray I used to thrash as a kid.

However, cymbals are a musical instrument, an extension of the drummers expressive self.

The true magic in cymbal making as you pointed out, is the shaping of the sound through hand beating by a craftsmen. Who apply the same devotion to their craft as did Stradivarius when he hand built violins.

So yes, their are many factors involved in making a great cymbal, but most drummers understand that...right? So theirs no argument there.

As far as Zildjian goes... sure they make a good cymbal... but just not great, or the best... Like I said...I'm sorry that raises your blood temperature, but sometimes people only believe what they want to believe.

The best cymbals are still hand beaten and come from Turkey. But you have to be prepared to sample dozens to find the one with that magic sound.