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Old 06-28-2006, 10:46 PM
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Difference between Zildjian A and A Custom


What's the difference between Zildjian A cymbals and Zildjian A Custom cymbals? Obviously they sound a little different but what are the main differences in their sound and structure? I would assume that the process in which they are made are similar because they're in the same line.
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Old 06-28-2006, 10:54 PM
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Hmmm, A customs are usually brilliant finish, but a few of them are traditional. Brilliant finished cymbals are usually brighter in tone. The regular A line are mostly traditional finish, therefore darker in tone. I also think that they use a slightly different finishing method. Both have the lines showing form the lathe, but the Reg. A's have deeper groves than the A customs. I dont know what affect this has on sound but you can usually tell the difference between an A and an A custom. If anybody knows anything about cymbal lathing and hammering enlighten me. Its an interesting field.
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Old 06-28-2006, 11:03 PM
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I think our cymbal expert Davenhurst might know a thing or two. haha

The bigger the cymbal, the higher the pitch and vice versa, correct?

Brilliant finish = brighter sound, natural finish = darker sound?

Hm, what else...
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Old 06-28-2006, 11:06 PM
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Actually the bigger the cymbal the lower the pitch. Try crashing a 22in ride! But on the opposite end, a 6 in splash is very high pitched. So its opposite. And yes Brilliant:Brighter, natural/traditional:darker.
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Old 06-28-2006, 11:11 PM
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Actually the bigger the cymbal the lower the pitch. Try crashing a 22in ride! But on the opposite end, a 6 in splash is very high pitched. So its opposite. And yes Brilliant:Brighter, natural/traditional:darker.
Hm, you sure about that? I always thought the bigger the cymbal the higher the pitch, but I could be wrong.
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Old 06-28-2006, 11:15 PM
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Yeah, even though it sounds high pitched when you ride on a 22", if you crash it itll be waaaaay lower than anything smaller.
EDIT: Its like a drum. The bigger the drum the lower the pitch. I think it has to do with the amount of surface area the sound has to vibrate over or something.... Also, the bigger the cymbal the LOUDER the cymbal!
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Old 06-29-2006, 01:29 AM
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Yeah ok that makes more sense now. I was thinking of the sound of like a ping ride, which is pretty high pitched.
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Old 06-29-2006, 05:58 AM
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Generally the idea that the bigger a cymbal, the lower the pitch is correct but there are other factors to take into consideration.

The actual profile of a cymbal makes a big difference, look at your cymbals side-on and imagine a cross-section - some are flatter than others, some bow / curve off nearer the edge. Factors like this (and bell size, thickness, finish, hammering /lathing technique etc. etc.) contribute to the pitch, and also to the characteristics us lot refer to as "darkness", "wash" and so on. I think sometimes the term "low pitch" is used in place of "dark" incorrectly.

Cymbals can be so complex sounding that sometimes people get muddled and forget that even the darkest sounding one can be high in overall pitch. That's just an example, there are many elements that build an overall sound.

Anyway, back to the point....

Zildjian A is an all-rounder, designed to fit into pretty much anywhere musically - they're quite bright and well rounded and of course they have the history behind them, it's the Zildjian sound through and through.

A Customs are hammered differently and usually a bit thinner, designed to provide a slightly more complex response without being too dark. They're not as bright as As but are still nicely defined and crisp.

Think that's right, anyway.

Damn, I sound like a Zildjian rep. I gotta get me a job at a cymbal company fast! (Or a nice juicy sponsorship deal).
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Old 06-29-2006, 01:48 PM
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Thanks for the explanation Davenhurst!

I think I personally prefer the sound of the As over the A Customs. The A Customs are usually more expensive and I was just wondering why. Maybe because the process in which they're hammered is more intense?
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Old 06-29-2006, 02:20 PM
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Thanks for the explanation Davenhurst!

I think I personally prefer the sound of the As over the A Customs. The A Customs are usually more expensive and I was just wondering why. Maybe because the process in which they're hammered is more intense?
That will have something to do with it for sure. Also they were developed with Vinnie Colaiuta and are marketed as quite an advanced cymbal conceptually, so the price tag gets bumped up.

I think I prefer As too - more of a classic, natural sound.
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