zildjian reps don't do jack in my experience.. they were quite unhelpful actually the one time that i called

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[full metal]

Wow really.
Ive never had to deal with them or had a problem with a cymbal to have to try and talk to them so I really didnt know.
It just sounded like the right thing to do.

ive never had any real problems with the reps.. but then again ive never had any real problems with my cymbals either.. i love zildjian.. loyal forever

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to me sound > durability.. in other words, I wouldn't just get a Z custom solely because its thicker and it will be more durable.. I go for sound. If i like that paper thin crash, Im going to get it over anything else... if it cracks then well, deal with it

[DRUMMER111]

DUDE also check your technique

Also, make sure you clean your cymbals.. obviously it's not going to be as important as technique or what not, but it does make a difference in increasing the life of your cymbals.. dirty cymbals will wear more easily and will be more susceptible to that green stuff forming on your cymbals.. so get a good cleaner or polish and gently scrub away. I use Dunlop cymbal cleaner and it works pretty well.

[myner]

epoxy on a cymbal?? thats like friggin contact cement right?

[Pyrochazm]

First off, you must be beating the crap out of your cymbals. I couldn't recomend which zildjians to get, but I really like the sabian metal X series. Thick and durable. Also, someone was telling me that if you drill a small hole where the crack stops advancing up the cymbal it will keep it from getting worse, but it will change the tone a little. And finally: An epoxy is a two part glue. JB weld is a good example. Epoxy's are typically extremly strong. Lotus uses epoxy to hold parts of their Elise and Exige togther, and Boeing uses epoxy on airplane wings.

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[guss]

19" Z custom trash ride U can use for ride and crash and its bendy. think of jello (R) and a brick, drop a brick, boom, all over, jello it just ripples.

Iv'e seen a Z custom 18" (i think dark(kits at other house) have a huge crack in it, guess what one year ago my 14" year old friend(now 15 and the best drummer in the school) hit it that way,so dont think just 20 year olds are the ones that make cracks.

what i say, buy cheeper cymbals, so if U hit em hard and they break,well you wont be crying,try B8 and XS's

B8:13" hi-hats
16" med crash(b8 starter kit thinking of buying, has both)

XS:10"splash
20" ride(asso usable us crash)
18" china(I heard it recently, it blew me away,wish list)


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"If you hit them with a stick"-A metal drummer and A punk drummers have both said that to me.

And ...

STOP BREAKING CYMBALS Over classic rock and jazz covers.