Zildjian ZBT series worth it?

**Tainojim** · #51 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 07:16 AM

I don't remember dude, that was so long ago. But these paste were just as flat sounding as the ZBT's. In them there days, you predicated anything you could afford and make the best of it. Nobody ever griped about them. You had to somehow make them sound good. Today drummers are so spoiled. We didn't have videos games either, let alone a television. In them days, people from the block would visit you just so they can watch your television. And it was black and white TV, not color.
Life was easier then.

Harry · #52 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 06:24 PM

Hi Infero, Taino,

I had a far bigger exposure to the Paiste's because of my European back ground.
If you are interested in them just Google Paiste reviews!
You will find amazing testimonials by real ace drummers.
You go on Musiciansfriends and get the same glowing results.

The PST 5 series and the Alpha series cannot be beaten for value.
Apart from the brass cymballs you cannot go wrong with Paiste. So even the beginners cymbals are quite good really, unlike the Zildjians who make very good cymbals but only in the pro-category, and than you have to pay through the nose. I know, because I am playing them.

Just have a look at the endorsing artists, no mean fact.
How does Mr. Copeland, Bonham etc. sound?

It is a little bit a pity for the USA that it is so isolated in the world, I mean there is so much inward focus, and a lot of truly marvelous music and products remain undiscoverd or are not available to the American Drummers.

Cheers and happy drumming,

Harry

**Tainojim** · #53 (**permalink**) 08-27-2009, 07:49 PM

That's a good point harry. Even when traveling here in the U.S. as I've stated before on the forum, that even trying to order the same simple food from one state to another, terminologies change for the some reason.

The last time I went to a seminar, a Texan asked me if I was from New York. So I asked him how he knew? His response was the it was because of my accent.
I told him that I thought he was the one with the accent.

It's like walking into a new pub and all the heads turn.

Harry · #54 (**permalink**) 08-27-2009, 10:43 PM

Hi Mr. TJ,

I had the same pub- experience in New Zealand when I just arrived (Immigrated)
It was in the fall (autumn

) and quite warm, nevertheless the pot belly was burning inside!, and a dozen or so logging guys were standing around it drinking beer, poured from mutual Jugs.

( It reminded me of the atmosphere created in the delightful literary work of James Lee Burke, haling from the New Iberia area in Louisiana, if you have not read his work you have been missing-out on some excellent books.)

Anyway they turned simultaniously when they detected me (squeeking bar door) and waited and watch me placing my order.
I ordered a flute of the (very nice) local beer.

Now a flute is (in their opinion) not a drink as anything less than a pint is for sissies.
They all turned back to their original positions with disapproving looks, not a word was spoken which created sort of a broody situation.

I finished my beer quickly, and left for higher grounds.

I know this has nothing to do with drumming, but I just thought it might be something you would enjoy TainoJim!

Cheers and Happy Drumming,

Harry

**Tainojim** · #55 (**permalink**) 01-23-2010, 04:07 PM

Chuggle up my friend, chuggle up.

Here in the U.S. the beer is served cold while in the UK it's served warm.

I stopped drinking, I got tired of waking up on the floor after chasing Henessey shots with Heineken.

DrMapex · #56 (**permalink**) 02-18-2010, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Zand

Right, I wont be going for them then. Many thanks kind sir.

I have also considered the ZXT series, as a slight possibility. Has anyone had any experience with these cymbals?

Thanks for the help so far.

They're real basic, and (if they're the ones I'm thinking of) pretty unresponsive. Paiste 101's are acceptable and pretty hard wearing for the price, but I'd almost always recommend Meinl over Paiste.

With Wuhans, I think they're hand-made (or at least a majority of their ranges are at any rate) so no two are quite the same. I was lucky enough a while ago to get my hands on a 16" S series thin crash fairly cheap, and it sounds great and has lasted 2 years of thrash/prog/death metal drumming so far, admittedly under light to moderate use conpared to my 18" Meinl heavy crash/

DrMapex · #57 (**permalink**) 02-20-2010, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Tainojim

Chuggle up my friend, chuggle up.

Here in the U.S. the beer is served cold while in the UK it's served warm.

lol Beer in the UK isn't served warm.
Bitter, ale and stout are stored at only a little under room temperature. Beers, lagers, alcopops etc are all served cold, just like in the states!

You lose flavour the colder food or drink is because taste relies so heavily on smell, for which you need some kind of vapour which the alcohol provides. If alcohol is cold, it smells of nothing but once it warms, it's quite pungent. Bitters, ales and stouts are kept at a higher temperature than beers/lagers for the particularly strong flavours which few countries outside the UK appreciate.