Best cymbal make

Infero Exicution · #1 (**permalink**) 03-22-2009, 05:58 PM

Who do you think make the best cymbals?
I think Zildjian has a good rep. What do you guys think?

Damo · #2 (**permalink**) 03-22-2009, 06:25 PM

I think this has been done to death, and you are missing a few majors in there anyway - UFiP & Bosphorus to name two

Also, BEST is a subjective term, and polls like this are generally a waste of time.

I have only toured one factory - Sabian's - And what I saw was guarantee in my mind that these guys know what theyre doing. Until youve seen them all, you cant know how their cymbal process really works, and subsequently cannot comment on 'who makes the best cymbals'

**Tainojim** · #3 (**permalink**) 03-22-2009, 06:50 PM

Zildjians which are Turkish made cymbols happen to bee the best place Brass is found in the world.

Kind of fining gold in the Rockies.

They have also been catering to every cultural cymbal aspect world wide.

They also change their up to date market form the days of old to today's demands.

Ever try the AHEAD drum sticks on these.

They also respond even nicer with Jazz Brush Sticks.

Crisp and clear definition.

Remember when you an American car, wonder where the parts came from?

Just kidding about the car thing

Church Drummer · #4 (**permalink**) 03-23-2009, 07:21 PM

I belive that Zildian's have been made here in America for quite a while now. I do have an Istanbul Cymbal that is made in Turkey in the old Zildian plant. I like it very much but it isn't on your list of companies. Every company makes a line of Cymbals that will appeal to one person over another, their really is no one best it's a matter of what sounds best to you. I have a collection of cymbals from several manufacturers and I like them all. That's why I hand picked them.

Harry · #5 (**permalink**) 03-23-2009, 08:38 PM

Hi Tainojim,
I have some facts, which to my best knowledge are reliable.

Brass is found nowere in the world.
Copper is, and Zinc is, together they make brass.
The mix is a lot of copper and a little bit of zinc, depends on what kind of brass you want.(the more zinc the more brittle)

The zinc is a really low grade metal, that's why brass cymbals are not the nicest.

Copper and tin make bronze, this is where the majority of good cymbals are made from. There are various known mixes that give different properties to the cymbals.
Again the copper is always in the majority.
The highest percentage of tin that I am aware off is 20% (known as B20)

I know from (inside) informants that sometimes tiny amounts of silver, magnesium and phosfor are added to the mix (named alloy) to get the desired

properties.

Sabians and Zildjans are made in America.
Paiste's are made in Zwitserland and Germany.
Ufip's are made in Italy.

The whole bronze story is very intriguing, and very interesting reading about.
The first cymbals/gongs ever produced were Chinese.

Cheers and happy drumming,

Harry

**Tainojim** · #6 (**permalink**) 03-23-2009, 10:29 PM

Mr. Haryy,
I believe that smelting is the term.

Avedis Zildjian Company - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How is that for drummers scholars.
Just kidding But I'm from the really old school and I'm a little slow.

Beg your pardon sir.

Damo · #7 (**permalink**) 03-24-2009, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Sabians and Zildjans are made in America.

Sabians are made in Canada, not the U.S - Unless you meant North America?

Harry · #8 (**permalink**) 03-24-2009, 11:38 PM

Hi Damo,

You are absolutely right, I ment North America, (not the USA)
I should know better because I hate it when people think that New Zealand is a part of Australia................

Cheers and happy drumming,

Harry

**Tainojim** · #9 (**permalink**) 03-25-2009, 10:08 AM

Avedis Zildjian Company - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

OK - checkout the wikie, you know it's the encyclopedia. Click on Avedis.

"The first Zildjian (pronounced zil-jin) cymbals were created in 1623 in Istanbul by Avedis Zildjian, who was looking for a way to turn base metal into gold," ( then it was made in here)
DAMO is right, but originality incorrect.
You guys can read the rest from the preceding link above.

Harry is right and I must agree with him. Some even think that the Whelch are Brits.
I live in the United States of America (Stolen Land by the Euroes). I cannot believe my ears when some govern-mental starts a speech with AMERICA has got a this and that and so on.

I's not America, It's the United States of America.

Just like Chief Whaahoo (Cleveland Indians Baseball Logo) was not created by a by my people.
We got stuck with the name Indians, Thanks.

Sorry guys but when it comes to history of the U.S, study until your head hurts.

TainoJim- Native American

**Tainojim** · #10 (**permalink**) 03-25-2009, 10:43 AM

Avedis Zildjian Company - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

OK - checkout the wikie, you know it's the encyclopedia. Click on Avedis.

"The first Zildjian (pronounced zil-jin) cymbals were created in 1623 in Istanbul by Avedis Zildjian, who was looking for a way to turn base metal into gold," ( then it was made in here)
DAMO is right, but originality incorrect.
You guys can read the rest from the preceding link above and at the bottom.

Paiste - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Harry is right and I must agree with him. Some even think that the Whelch are Brits.

I's not America, It's the United States of America.

Just like Chief Whaahoo (Cleveland Indians Baseball Logo) was not created by a by my people.
We got stuck with the name Indians, Thanks I've never been to India.