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Old 07-03-2009, 06:03 AM
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Rides


I'm trying to decide on which ride I'm going to save up for, and I've narrowed it down to a couple:

Sabian HH Rock Ride 20/22" - This is the ride that Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater) uses.

Paiste Stewart Copeland Signature Blue Bell Ride 22" - Stewart Copeland's ride.

Meinl Mb20 Pure Metal Ride 24" - Chris Adler's (Lamb of God) ride.

If anyone has any experience or opinions on any of these, could you tell me? I like a ride that has a clear crisp sound, short sustain and a really defined bell sound. I think all of these three rides have at least one of those characteristics, but if any of you could define a better one for me.

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Old 07-03-2009, 02:22 PM
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Re: Rides


DruM key,
Whats your price range?
I'll be able help then.
Get it up ASAP.
I would really like to help out.
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Old 07-03-2009, 08:00 PM
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Re: Rides


I would lean towards the Paiste or the Sabian personally, but I have little play time on Meinls.

Now out of those two I personally like the slightly dark vintage sound the HH gives you. To my ear there are darker overtones with the paiste that I don't care for, although that may be exactly what you are looking for. Trust your ears on this one.
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Old 07-04-2009, 10:08 AM
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My price range doesn't really matter, but if there are two that you can't split then money would come into it.
I agree with you Der Trommler, I prefer the HH overall, but the Meinl ride has a really nice bell sound you can hear in a couple of Lamb of God songs, although I doubt it would sound as good in person as it does on recordings.
The Paiste ride I don't like as much as the HH - they have the same type of sound but the Paiste has a slightly longer sustain and the bow is less clear and defined (I think).
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Old 07-04-2009, 11:34 AM
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Re: Rides


I would say go with the HH.
I just wanted to see if there could be any other options.
I think the HH really has a beautiful sound and tone.
HH all the way.
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Old 07-04-2009, 06:51 PM
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Re: Rides


There is a paiste ride I have heard of that is not the SC Signature ride but sounds the same but is cheaper, If someone could figure out which one that might be helpful.

The Pure metal is 24" (22" case myself) and the bell has to be hit a certain way to ping as I have heard.

HH is part of my dream kit (nice bell)...

A Custom medium/ ping I love them.
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Old 07-05-2009, 12:55 AM
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Re: Rides


I guess every drummer has been through this 'phase' of what ride cymbal to get. In my personal experience, when you are ready to purchase a brand spanking new ride, it's when you are certain what sound you want. Im looking at tha bands that your interested in, and i can see some of my own favourites haha, however it's easy to see that there are clashes of flavours!

All the cymbals you have put forward are all somewhat bronze alloys, however some have a greater percentages in each, this is important in the sound you want. The size of the cymbal, the manufacturing process and the coat of chemicals and the music you play will all effect the sound you want.
The chris adler mb20 has the greatest amount of bronze, it has an enormous presence to it if anyone has heard it before, they will know. Things to note about this cymbal:
- Chris adler barely touches any other part of this cymbal, he hammers the bell for everything.
- The cymbal itself has a high resonance, it is a massive cymbal, it will ring out for years at end. It somewhat is a cymbal/gong haha.
- The cutting of sixteenth's on this cymbal can be heard, however due to high resonance, it's slightly muffled. (Note that the sticks you use will also effect the sound of this cymbal) (nylon or wood tip)
- If you want that same bell sound that adler plays, it would be wise to check out some bells. Their cheaper and sound great.

The stewart Copeland ride, is a dry raw ride, however it is slightly modified.
- Modification of this cymbal is the blue chemical present on the bottom and top.
- If you want a really dark raw sound which isn’t very polished, then this cymbal is for you.
- Copeland uses everything on this cymbal, the sixteenths on the ride itself cut however are raw, or I like to call it “stale”, not as stale as the ride cymbal weckl uses in his video.
- It has a slight polish to it however from the blue chemical, im not sure how they do it.
- Bell sounds great, real dark, moderate piercing.
- Smaller ride gives you more but, less resonance bit ride has similar cut more resonance.

The Portnoy is a favourite for most drummers, it’s a safe cymbal.

To conclude this essay…. It’s important that you don’t just go out and spend your money on a brand new cymbal. Understand the sound you want, it takes years even decades! We all get use to the sound of a ride, I’ve been bashing my meinl for a decade and it’s great! (im just use to that sound when im practicing, when it’s live I use my zildjian!) if you are really picky and in a position where you have the money and the music to purchase new cymbals, do it!
On an end note, with all the musicians I’ve played with, not one has pointed out the ride cymbal I use. I don’t think they care, or they even know “oh mate just gimme a bit more of that zang bing bing bong on the ride. If it cuts and has a decent bell, it’s the one to be used!
Goodluck in finding that ride, hope that helps!
Remember, YOU are your own worst critic!!

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P.S it’s a whole different story with crash cymbals!
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Old 07-05-2009, 09:47 PM
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Re: Rides


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There is a paiste ride I have heard of that is not the SC Signature ride but sounds the same but is cheaper, If someone could figure out which one that might be helpful.

The Pure metal is 24" (22" case myself) and the bell has to be hit a certain way to ping as I have heard.

HH is part of my dream kit (nice bell)...

A Custom medium/ ping I love them.
The Sig Dark Metal Ride is what the SC Sig is designed off of.
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Old 07-06-2009, 06:16 PM
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Re: Rides


Paiste Makes some pretty beast metal rides.
I did a sound comparison at GuitarCenter, and I found
That Paiste Signature and Paiste Alpha rides sounded very very
Similar. Although, the Signature ride sounded darker and
sent shivers down my spine with the amazing bell sound.
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Old 07-06-2009, 11:51 PM
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Hi Cymbql,

You must have gotten your wires seriously crossed!

As bronze is an alloy, you can not have more (or less) bronze in your cymbals.
Bronze is an alloy (mixture or composition) of copper and tin (plus some small percentages of secret additions only known to the cymbal manufacturers)

In laymans terms, bronze B8 has 92%copper and 8%tin.
B20 has 80% copper and 20% tin.
Brass is an alloy of copper and zinc. (cheap stuff)
So what you CAN have more- or less- off in your cymbals is copper or tin,
providing that you talk about bronze cymbals, and not brass or titanium alloys.

Cheers and happy drumming,

Harry
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