[givemethebeat]

though looking at it again its actually pretty average.
I must apologise I am looking at lots of these kinds of videos everyday.
Upon closer inspection theres no real variation to the solo, theres some fast stick stuff, which is seemingly played with 7a sticks, the groove is good but does lack freedom. its kinda rushed with the emphasis on the hands and to me its unbalanced.
Theres some rudiments in there for sure but hmmmmm

theres a distinct difference in sound feel and style to the above clip as to say this clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j-i4Fg0NdA

and this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEB8fDcuICw

clip 1 does not sing as much but is very astute

clip 2 just sings and is faultless

these are serious standards to make comparisons with, though not the only ones...

[lastditch]

Originally Posted by givemethebeat

I was being sarcastic

hahaha...figures.Man,how can you be into drumming and think everyone sucks.This kid has chops!Period.Dude,you are like that middle school music teacher who forever destroys all desire to progress.Sad,sad,sad.Matt has over 3000 views of his video on youtube and 100% of his comments r positive.You are the 1 person over the entire internet who thinks he's not up to par.Silly.Matt don't feel bad,this wad has been bashing me since the day I logged in here.

[skinslapper]

Originally Posted by givemethebeat

looks cool, sure as hell would have to say he's never even heard of rudiments and never ever had a lesson in his life. Its amazing what can be done....

How the fudge can you say this has not had lessons or learnt rudiments? He is the worlds fastest single stroke drummer, how could he do that without knowing what a single stroke is?

He is spot on in that video and every other one he's done. You can't compare him to the flashy rock solo's of Dinati, because this dude's playing jazz in a studio with a five peice kit.

I'm sorry, your comments more and more are showing you up to be a very ignorant individual.

[givemethebeat]

Originally Posted by skinslapper

How the fudge can you say this has not had lessons or learnt rudiments? He is the worlds fastest single stroke drummer, how could he do that without knowing what a single stroke is?

He is spot on in that video and every other one he's done. You can't compare him to the flashy rock solo's of Dinati, because this dude's playing jazz in a studio with a five peice kit.

I'm sorry, your comments more and more are showing you up to be a very ignorant individual.

Hi Skin. The importance of reading the WHOLE thread is evident here with your reply.

Who is Dinati? I think you mean Virgil Donati. Rock solos???? UMMMM
There is also a link to another drummer that is a benchmark. Lets say a Mr Rich. Have you heard of him????

In my spare time I like to go fishing.

[skinslapper]

As usual, you make unfounded comments, with the pure intent of giving someone the s@#ts, then avoid the topic.

Coward.

[mattsmith]

Wow, I haven't been here in a while and had no idea there was a mini flame war going on at friendly little drumsetconnect. Thanks for the props from most of you. No problems regarding givemethebeat. I've dealt with far worse than him before. But crap man, he's throwing Buddy Rich videos at me. That's a frickin honor (lol).

But seriously, analysis like what he laid down in the March 1st post is typical of the knee jerk experts who mysteriously never post anything themselves. Guys are of course free to have an opinion of the style, but your technical breakdown is way off the mark.

And as for this...

looks cool, sure as hell would have to say he's never even heard of rudiments and never ever had a lesson in his life

Here's a primer...

http://matt.thsmith.com/

This will get you up to speed. It's engrossing reading. The above comment is just about the dumbest thing I've ever read about me. I'll take things up to a point. But this was an ignorant and flagrantly insulting comment.

Moving on...
Upon closer inspection theres no real variation to the solo
You're right it's theme and variation. It's a concept that develops. It's a story. Drop the technical blow by blow. You're over extending yourself.

theres some fast stick stuff, which is seemingly played with 7a sticks,

What on Earth do stick sizes have to do with this already inane technical analysis? Of course you are trying to obliquely explain to the intellectually unwashed that my supposed lighter stick is a form of cheating. To me this is where you really showed me that your hand had nothing in it. But just so you know, those are custom Matt Smith signature sticks of my own design. I could have a pair sold to you if you like.

the groove is good but does lack freedom.
Ahhh the groove police have come again to write a ticket. Isn't it fascinating how characters like this have such profound instincts for self appointment. Believe it or not sir, everything is not about a groove, although this solo grooves just fine. In fact I don't think Berlioz ever grooved through sonata allegro form when he was composing his Faust anymore than Brahms got anyone to shake their bootay in construction of his third symphony.

its kinda rushed with the emphasis on the hands and to me its unbalanced

I defy you to show the point where it rushes. Tune up your ears sir. You never heard accents for momentum?

How about my Morello triplets? You like those? So did Joe Morello. Ever hear of him?

Emphasis on the hands? You're kidding right? IT'S A FRICKIN' DRUM!!!

I'm sorry to be so harsh man, but in this case you really had it coming. And don't even think of trying to respond to this because I plan to watch this forum a lot more closely.

And now why don't you tell everyone exactly what it is you do? Drummer wannabe, hoping to get a weekend gig at the music store is my guess.

[mattsmith]

Originally Posted by skinslapper

How the fudge can you say this has not had lessons or learnt rudiments? He is the worlds fastest single stroke drummer, how could he do that without knowing what a single stroke is?

Just lucky I guess, or I could be an idiot savant.

Hey this could be fun over here for a while. I've just been reading over some of his other comments in different threads. There's a gold mine of material there that can be responded to for months.

[givemethebeat]

Originally Posted by mattsmith

Wow, I haven't been here in a while and had no idea there was a mini flame war going on at friendly little drumsetconnect. Thanks for the props from most of you. No problems regarding givemethebeat. I've dealt with far worse than him before. But crap man, he's throwing Buddy Rich videos at me. That's a frickin honor (lol).

Hi Matt. I am glad you have personally taken the time to respond. I am happy that you have dealt with far worse than me. I guess that means I am not that bad really....

Originally Posted by mattsmith

But seriously, analysis like what he laid down in the March 1st post is typical of the knee jerk experts who mysteriously never post anything themselves. Guys are of course free to have an opinion of the style, but your technical breakdown is way off the mark.

I currently have broken wrist. Yes a drummers nightmare. Its healing and about 4 weeks off then theres a bit of rehab. As far as posting is concerned I can assure you that in the short future I can back up my claims. Technical breakdown, well.... I have a degree in musicology so I think I am accredited to give a critic.

Originally Posted by mattsmith

And as for this...

looks cool, sure as hell would have to say he's never even heard of rudiments and never ever had a lesson in his life

Here's a primer...

http://matt.thsmith.com/

This will get you up to speed. It's engrossing reading. The above comment is just about the dumbest thing I've ever read about me. I'll take things up to a point. But this was an ignorant and flagrantly insulting comment.

If you were to have read my follow up the comment. the comment was intended to be sarcastic.

Originally Posted by mattsmith

Moving on...
Upon closer inspection theres no real variation to the solo
You're right it's theme and variation. It's a concept that develops. It's a story. Drop the technical blow by blow. You're over extending yourself.

In what way? Like I said, the solo had not a lot of variation or something like that. I could have been frank and said it was boring...

Originally Posted by mattsmith

theres some fast stick stuff, which is seemingly played with 7a sticks,

What on Earth do stick sizes have to do with this already inane technical analysis? Of course you are trying to obliquely explain to the intellectually unwashed that my supposed lighter stick is a form of cheating. To me this is where you really showed me that your hand had nothing in it. But just so you know, those are custom Matt Smith signature sticks of my own design. I could have a pair sold to you if you like.

Bu they are very similar to a 7a right? Read what you like into that comment. if you have an insecurity about lighter sticks as a form of cheating thats you issue, I did not say nor imply it.

Originally Posted by mattsmith

the groove is good but does lack freedom.
Ahhh the groove police have come again to write a ticket. Isn't it fascinating how characters like this have such profound instincts for self appointment. Believe it or not sir, everything is not about a groove, although this solo grooves just fine. In fact I don't think Berlioz ever grooved through sonata allegro form when he was composing his Faust anymore than Brahms got anyone to shake their bootay in construction of his third symphony.

I believe you were presenting a drum solo?

Originally Posted by mattsmith

its kinda rushed with the emphasis on the hands and to me its unbalanced

I defy you to show the point where it rushes. Tune up your ears sir. You never heard accents for momentum?

How about my Morello triplets? You like those? So did Joe Morello. Ever hear of him?

Emphasis on the hands? You're kidding right? IT'S A FRICKIN' DRUM!!!

I though you were playing a guitar, sorry.....

I like Morello. Yes accents for momento are nice. My point was balance and the emphasis on the sticks as opposed to lack of emphasis on the kick. I think you if did you the same thing again and focus on including the kick as part of the solo, you might be surprised at the result.

Originally Posted by mattsmith

I'm sorry to be so harsh man, but in this case you really had it coming. And don't even think of trying to respond to this because I plan to watch this forum a lot more closely.

Nahh its cool man , your actually a good guy. I have endured far more slack from other people in my life without them putting up a decent argument. So its all cool.

Originally Posted by mattsmith

And now why don't you tell everyone exactly what it is you do? Drummer wannabe, hoping to get a weekend gig at the music store is my guess.

I thought I would ignore this comment but I just can't resist.
If it tell you who I am it will not be fair to everyone.
But then again I haven't got a clue who your are either.....

[mattsmith]

The World According to Givemethebeat (abridged)
with Cliff Notes provided by Matt Smith

I have a degree in musicology so I think I am accredited to give a critic.

According to my own family members who teach people hoping to recieve degrees in musicology, musicians with this distinction and who are not in receipt of an academic appointment are aimless wanderers of the profession. Now if you had said you had 2 or 3 degrees in musicology, I could possibly believe there was hope of a university professorship. But since you are posting retorts to a kid drummer just before 10:00 am on a Monday morning, unemployed is my guess. BTW, high school study hall is my excuse.

And good luck with that healing process that will most likely accelerate the moment the coast is clear.

BTW, it's critique. If you are going to engage in an avocation at least learn to spell it.

If you were to have read my follow up the comment. the comment was intended to be sarcastic.

It failed.

In what way? Like I said, the solo had not a lot of variation or something like that. I could have been frank and said it was boring...

I would have had no problem whatsoever with your personal opinion. The foolish technical explanation and personal suppositions are why this is happening to you right now.

Bu they are very similar to a 7a right? Read what you like into that comment. if you have an insecurity about lighter sticks as a form of cheating thats you issue, I did not say nor imply it.

I am not reading into a comment. I am correctly reading into the isolated out of the blue mention. It's a silly point and a common trait associated with pseudo intellectual behavior. Therefore the reply was never in personal defense, but was in fact an obviously effective means of pointing out your own suspicious qualifications for critique. Oh I'm sorry critic.

I believe you were presenting a drum solo?

Did you actually read the description at youtube? It was a small part of a video library extracted from a recording session. But yes it can be presented as a solo, and I'm fine with that.

I though you were playing a guitar, sorry.....

Judging by what I have already read from you, your sarcasm isn't a given. You may well believe its any number of things. But since you are obviously not that good with the sarcasm, I would best drop it. It obviously brings you nothing to what is already an empty table.

I like Morello.

Good, I'll pass along your regards.

Yes accents for momento are nice. My point was balance and the emphasis on the sticks as opposed to lack of emphasis on the kick. I think you if did you the same thing again and focus on including the kick as part of the solo, you might be surprised at the result.

Actually, I am of the belief that the kick is far too overused today. I see you are a Donati guy, and that's fine. These are opinions, and if you discern closely, this type of dialogue does not invoke negative response. However, when you invoke an isolated comment that is framed to denote weakness for using too much hand to play a drum, that in of itself reads foolish and silly.

Nahh its cool man , your actually a good guy.

The road to recovery begins.

I have endured far more slack from other people in my life without them putting up a decent argument.

This I can believe. A little self examination may be in order. In fact I would consider being intellectually dismantled by a kid on a drum forum a kind of epiphany.

I thought I would ignore this comment but I just can't resist.

Try harder next time. Doing so here would have spared you my closing statement.

If it tell you who I am it will not be fair to everyone.
But then again I haven't got a clue who your are either...

This is the oldest scam used in musician forums on the Internet...the secret poster, posing as the everyman, before revealing his true identity to those mean people who misunderstood him. Interestingly enough, that payoff never actually happens. Besides I wouldn't care if you were Shelly Manne incarnate. The points you made were still wrong, and I would most certainly share this with Shelly too. As for who I am or am not, I'm not the issue at present...

...Or maybe you still don't get that?

I'm done here. Mods I ask you keep this exchange up for a while before deleting it. I would assume that others have had to deal with this poseur before in similar situations. Hopefully this exchange will suggest to them that personal tolerance of foolish insult based on peripheral understanding is not always necessary.

[mattsmith]

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