[Jazz&ReggaeRock]

I just get so tired of all the darn trolls &/ rude people on the net lately.
It seems everyone is a critic now, and a vicious one at time half the time.
I do not like what the internet has become to a large degree. Sure you can learn all kinds of interesting facts, but it seems everytime I sign up for some website or message board, I end ujp getting my head handed to me on a platter.
Peoplea re rude on the net, no doubt about it.
I hope I will NOT encounter here what I found on another drum site.
It was unbelievable, and so completely hostile to a woman.... I printed it up...

Lots of disrespectful people in the world. It seems all the bullies like to hang out on the net now.
It makes it no fun to come online sometimes.

Yes, I agree, this site did seem pretty dead there for a few weeks. Why is that... all the mean ppl drove out all the nice ppl?

[jhilldrums]

I think telling people they suck can be helpful if taken in a constructive way. Difficult to explain, but..........I also think that telling people they are great (when they're not) can be equally wrong. I think we all have something that we say to ourselves, "yeah man, I sucked at that". We only laugh at it now that we are older and a heluva lot wiser. Youth today is so 'oversugercoated' it's sickening, but I think sending people off (young or old) to work on whatever it is they aspire is good. There's no negative, no overpositive, and certainly what harm did we do to them or ourselves? Ok now tell me I suck...............

[parkerdj]

Originally Posted by jhilldrums

I think telling people they suck can be helpful if taken in a constructive way. Difficult to explain, but..........I also think that telling people they are great (when they're not) can be equally wrong. I think we all have something that we say to ourselves, "yeah man, I sucked at that". We only laugh at it now that we are older and a heluva lot wiser. Youth today is so 'oversugercoated' it's sickening, but I think sending people off (young or old) to work on whatever it is they aspire is good. There's no negative, no overpositive, and certainly what harm did we do to them or ourselves? Ok now tell me I suck...............

See, I don't think there's anything constructive about saying "you suck." I don't know if that's what you meant, or what.

I do agree with your second point about falsely complimenting someone.

[jhilldrums]

If the person knows they suck and your an expert, you can tell someone they suck in a constructive way. My son tries playing things he's nowhere close to doing right. I call it running before he can walk. I've told him "you sucked" at that, and he knows and we laugh and work on basics again. Now, I don't consider myself an expert at anything except opening my mouth to switch feet, but I hope you can see what I mean.

[Adam Powell]

hi, i'd just like to say Cheers!

im a young drummer. im sure many of you guys are light-years ahead of me in drumming skill.
i joined this forum to get advice from other like minded drummers.

in my opinion theres criticism "you suck" and there is constructive criticism "you should play more lightly on the snare, so your accents are more pronounced."

on a site like this, im obviously looking for the latter. someone telling me "you suck" isn't going to send me spiraling into depression, but it hasn't helped me in any way. so its more worthwhile giving constructive comments.

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[Baterista_Jelkhouse]

I think you're pretty straight on Adam...: )

[jhilldrums]

no no no no no, you have it wrong. I would not tell anyone they suck. My son and I have a light hearted way of doing this. I think the only criticism any of us can / should give is constructive.

Your misunderstanding my point. If what I was talking about was you playing lighter on the snare for the sake of making your accents sound more accented, yeah, right on. My son runs around the kit WAAAAAAAAAY off beat, not even close to doing anything right, yeah, it sucked.

[HxCdrummerKID]

Those people who criticize on the internet and youtube videos are lame...dont let them get you down...it makes me mad...they choose to listen / watch and then they talk trash...if they themselves were better than you and a good drummer...they would do what good drummers do and give advice and support not be a critic and point out every meaningless flaw

[1DrJoy]

Originally Posted by HxCdrummerKID

Those people who criticize on the internet and youtube videos are lame...dont let them get you down...it makes me mad...they choose to listen / watch and then they talk trash...if they themselves were better than you and a good drummer...they would do what good drummers do and give advice and support not be a critic and point out every meaningless flaw

Right on! I have been teaching for the last five years and have never told any of my students that they suck. I would be out of a job in 30 seconds flat if I did. I also tell them to be sure to keep their feet on the ground and to keep working at every area of their playing to improve. They know I won't lie to them and if they ask "was I in time with the cd?" and they weren't I will tell them, however it will be phrased constructivly and in a way for them to gain a better insight into how they can improve not in a negative way which would be in essence bullying.

[guss]

I work with kids(guess i am 1 myself) and I don't tell them they are doing bad, I connect with them and say keep up the good work if they are slacking(they tend to get the sarcasm), better to be a role model then to have someone quit a type of meditation!

I couldn't think of any person named joy who criticizes people!