[guss]

Money and fame come to but a few.

God may reward you-or not. [/quote]


two things the people who gain fame are usaly over achevers in my books, my friends on my space(except some)like to jam.

And the "God" subject(no one person) is probly not the best thing to discuss(how ever you spell it) on this forum(I go to a U.U. church, and im not very strict myself on religion)Hey its music not the "off topic" section.

[mouse]

Most drummers consider John Bonham god

http://www.kellyindustries.com/drums/john_bonham.html


I sort of have a pagan attitude, but i'm still going to pig out on chocky eggs the next few days

Back to critisised drummers, here is a good example of what could be the result of one, or perhaps someone who pulled the darn thing apart and couldn't get it back together Probally a pro footballer now
Hate to think if the edges are damaged, could be a good score for someone if they aren't.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Music-instr...p-38623987.htm

[skinslapper]

Yeah, that looks like the work of one of your Allblacks

[PHIL2007]

Originally Posted by UPSTROKE

This may get some people mad at me but I feel like I would like to get a dialog started on this subject. I'm new to this site, so I may be way out of line. But, I'm finding some harsh criticism of young drummers just starting out.
Those drummers among us that have been playing many, many years may have forgotten how we sounded at 13, 15, or 16 years old. We had big dreams & ambition for our musical future. We also, fortunately had a lot of energy to pour into playing drums. It was also a great way to relieve some of the frustration of events going on in our lives. These young people today are trying every bit as hard as we did to become great musicians and leave their mark on the planet. They don't have any where near the musical market selection that we did, but they just keep working at it anyway.
It is my philosophy that we have a responsibility to reach back and help any and all of these upcoming musicians of the future in any way we can. Wouldn't you have really appreciated that when you were at that age? What they need is confidence, encouragement, and positive assistance. Telling them that they are no good will help and encourage them how???
A positive attitude mixed with a lot of care, patience and guidance will be worth a lot more for all of us.

This is well said!

[UPSTROKE]

Thank you PHIL 2007;
I appreciate your support for my humble little article. Alas, as you can see from the ballyhoo below this response, the Pagans are running wild again. I fear there is no help for them.
BUT--I sure as hell appreciate your support. We were all young drummers once.
AND--seriously-- this is the best place to find all the help you can use.
Thanks

[PHIL2007]

Originally Posted by UPSTROKE

Thank you PHIL 2007;
I appreciate your support for my humble little article. Alas, as you can see from the ballyhoo below this response, the Pagans are running wild again. I fear there is no help for them.
BUT--I sure as hell appreciate your support. We were all young drummers once.
AND--seriously-- this is the best place to find all the help you can use.
Thanks

You are welcome,may i suggest a forum that is free of a lot of the junk that is encountered on forums? It is a fairly new forum that doers not tolerate a bunch of BS,It is called Tight Heads.org check it out:www.tightheads.org

[jakeman2006]

[quote=givemethebeat;9198]

Originally Posted by Church Drummer

Hey Church, you will need to buy it. This is not something you can do in a day or a week, like a lot of other methods. This book makes or breaks drummers. My comment was kinda off the cuff and I certainly was not expecting anyone to read deeper into it. After your post I was frantically pulling my bookcases apart to locate my copy.

This system is very unique and requires some higher motivation. If you are really serious about being the best you can be, this is one book that I would totally recommend. Be prepared to go to places that you have never been.

This 48 page book is the biggest challenge for every single drummer on the face of the planet. Even the best of the best are still developing concepts outlined in the instruction.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/cus...283155&s=books

http://www.gary-chester.com/newbreed.php

http://www.gary-chester.com/students.php

That is a really good book givethebeat. I do believe that young drummers need to be encouraged, but at the same time they need to be able to take criticism. There has to be balance in all things in life and to me the bast way to learn that is by experiencing all of lifeand that means the good and bad. We as older drummers have to encourage them and teach them the best we can.

[guss]

I profer to give constructive crit

[Church Drummer]

Originally Posted by guss

I profer to give constructive crit

That's it!! Tell them what they are doing wrong and how to improve, combine that with also telling them what they are doing right!! Some times a little bit of tough love is required, as in the case of a student you don't believe is putting in the time or the effort to improve. If they are trying then do everything you can to encourage them to keep trying, with some tips and insight as to what to work on and how to improve.

[givemethebeat]

honest criticism is far more beneficial than flowery analogy. Young people of this era play high impact extreme video games see videos of real death and are way more exposed to the reality of the world. IF I say that someone sux i will always back it up with why. don't confuse this comment. i am not saying that everyone that comes for a lesson gets the extreme treatment, just some. It works for me and believe it or not they actually respond and develop because it is in a language they understand. Ever been around 12 to 15 year olds and see how they communicate. If the skateboarder on the video does something lame, the kidz don't say" gee that was a good try maybe next time he should do this" .. No they just say dude that guy sucked!!!!!

'Positive reinforcement' I believe is the technique discussed in this thread...