[jdarnell50]

These young guys and gals are our future in music, should we not incourage them. There will be some Ringos and Bonhams and whoever else out there. Also the basics are very important so keep on practicing and maybe it will take you to Carnigie Hall or somewhere very special. I am getting ready to go play at church, it is with a guy I started out with at 15.

[zildian999]

I'm probably the youngest person here at 16. So thank you very much. And yeah, it ticks me off when people tell me I suck. It just makes me want to quit.

[Sheissoheavy]

i mean if we want to get into this i would have to say we should turn to Alfi Cohen -

check him out

he wrote a book called punished by rewards

the short of it

is

making someone respect their own drumming is really really crucial

getting them out there and interacting
developing self worth

these are really important aspects of become a competent human being not only a musician


i bet this guy values his drumming

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[Grimreaper204]

Just read a bit of the thread but to tell you the truth sometimes telling kids that they are horrible will help them improve their skills. I get really ticked off when parents are at sport games and say "thats alright" or "nice effort", screw that, that won't make them get better that will make them think they are doing it right. For me if someone says I'm garbage at something it just makes me want to prove them wrong and I work 10 times harder to learn it and to perfect it just to show them up. Just my 2 cents though

[Baterista_Jelkhouse]

Originally Posted by Grimreaper204

Just read a bit of the thread but to tell you the truth sometimes telling kids that they are horrible will help them improve their skills. I get really ticked off when parents are at sport games and say "thats alright" or "nice effort", screw that, that won't make them get better that will make them think they are doing it right. For me if someone says I'm garbage at something it just makes me want to prove them wrong and I work 10 times harder to learn it and to perfect it just to show them up. Just my 2 cents though

Hi, I'm new on this forum as of today, but I don't agree with some of what you're saying there.

There might be some truth to the last part about working harder because of harsh criticism, but I think that CONSTRUCTIVE criticism is the way to go when teaching or commenting. I am NOT at all advocating superficiality and insincerity, but I think that criticism in general should be helpful and not a deck in the face.

Giving no praise to someone who you didn't think sounded good is a good teaching and beneficial "tactic." A reward, being praise, is a good option to good performance and I think works to the benefit of anyone still learning (everyone).

Someone earlier made a comment about training dogs and (correct me if I'm wrong) applied it to teaching or drumming... but I have to say, humans are in fact, humans...not dogs. I agree that the concept can be applied to drumming and learning : )

[guss]

Originally Posted by Grimreaper204

Just read a bit of the thread but to tell you the truth sometimes telling kids that they are horrible will help them improve their skills. I get really ticked off when parents are at sport games and say "thats alright" or "nice effort", screw that, that won't make them get better that will make them think they are doing it right. For me if someone says I'm garbage at something it just makes me want to prove them wrong and I work 10 times harder to learn it and to perfect it just to show them up. Just my 2 cents though

That reminds me of the episode of King of the Hill, of a scrabble tournament, Peggie gets scared by going against the champion first off. Hank tries to help her by showing what his foot ball coach would have done(something like this)...YOU ARE TERRIBLE, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE PLAYED FOOTBALL FROM THE START(i was laughing).

REALLY I WAS THINKING... Practice 20 times, I don't get insalted easily, but if i got told to work ten times harder next time harder, I would have understood...Sometimes garbage can tear down some of the strongest walls.

[Grimreaper204]

Originally Posted by Baterista_Jelkhouse

Hi, I'm new on this forum as of today, but I don't agree with some of what you're saying there.

There might be some truth to the last part about working harder because of harsh criticism, but I think that CONSTRUCTIVE criticism is the way to go when teaching or commenting. I am NOT at all advocating superficiality and insincerity, but I think that criticism in general should be helpful and not a deck in the face.

Giving no praise to someone who you didn't think sounded good is a good teaching and beneficial "tactic." A reward, being praise, is a good option to good performance and I think works to the benefit of anyone still learning (everyone).

Someone earlier made a comment about training dogs and (correct me if I'm wrong) applied it to teaching or drumming... but I have to say, humans are in fact, humans...not dogs. I agree that the concept can be applied to drumming and learning : )

I never meant to insult them in any way, but yes constructive criticism is what I was aiming for. Do not simply tell them that they are doing good or that they are awesome but simply correct them. Tell them what they need to improve on and how to make their technique better. Totally bringing someone down is the wrong path to take but telling them that it could sound better if you do this blah blah can totally help. Once again it all depends on the player and the personality that they have. If they are totally stubborn and don't listen sometimes you have to bring them down so that they can see and improve.

[guss]

With teaching dogs you have to be nice to them, example give them treats.(odd, drummers don't tend to wag tails)

[Grimreaper204]

Originally Posted by guss

With teaching dogs you have to be nice to them, example give them treats.(odd, drummers don't tend to wag tails)

but dogs can't play drums, and well if you can teach one to play them then I'll start giving young drummers treats

[Baterista_Jelkhouse]

Originally Posted by Grimreaper204

I never meant to insult them in any way, but yes constructive criticism is what I was aiming for. Do not simply tell them that they are doing good or that they are awesome but simply correct them. Tell them what they need to improve on and how to make their technique better. Totally bringing someone down is the wrong path to take but telling them that it could sound better if you do this blah blah can totally help. Once again it all depends on the player and the personality that they have. If they are totally stubborn and don't listen sometimes you have to bring them down so that they can see and improve.

Yeah, I agree with your second to last sentence Grimreaper.