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Old 02-07-2011, 12:42 PM
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opinions fellow drummers......


Think I'm going to get a Gretsch Catalina club rock , it will suit the style of music our band produces and my budget , at £649 it will leave me enough to buy some nice heads and maybe a new 16 crash as mine has a small break in it .

What heads do you suggest I use for such a kit ?
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Old 02-07-2011, 06:54 PM
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Re: opinions fellow drummers......


This kit is mahogany and Remo Ambassador heads would work well if the bearing edge is 45 degree. I've got Remo Pinstripes on my kit and is the USA Custom Maple.

If this is a new kit, then the bearing edge is a 30 degree. If that's the case then I would suggest the Remo Pinstripe double coated.

Ether way I would wait for other drummers experience in responding to this thread.
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Old 02-08-2011, 12:36 PM
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Re: opinions fellow drummers......


You know, with the 30 degree bearing edges and mahogany shells - I would be interested in hearing a REMO Powerstroke 2 or 3 on this series' toms.

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Old 02-08-2011, 01:42 PM
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Re: opinions fellow drummers......


Some intresting thoughts there , thanks. Whats the thinking behind the remo power stroke idea ? . The kit comes with Evans heads , which im not great fan of ! . I use single ply remo's at the moment but i was thinking that this kit may benefit from something a little thicker .
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Old 02-08-2011, 02:09 PM
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Some intresting thoughts there , thanks. Whats the thinking behind the remo power stroke idea ? . The kit comes with Evans heads , which im not great fan of ! . I use single ply remo's at the moment but i was thinking that this kit may benefit from something a little thicker .
I use coated PS-3 on my toms on kit DW-2. I generally tune to a Major 3rd or Perfect 4th between my toms and want a definable tone (B flat, C, D, E, etc) with warm, solid attack and a controlled sustained decay with little to no out-of-pitch overtones - and at variety of dynamic levels. I want to point out that my DW's and the Corder are all Maple Shells, so I am curious to how the PS-3 would sound on a set designed to give a warmer sound.
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Old 02-08-2011, 04:35 PM
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I'm liking your idea's and think I will give them a go . Do you or have you experimented with your resonate heads ? , if so what are your findings ? . I like to tune mine slightly more sharpe to the batter and use the same heads either side , how about the bass ? , the Gretsch is a whopping 24 x 18 and Ive never had my foot behind such a beast ..... any ideas ? .

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Old 02-10-2011, 12:05 PM
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Sorry for the reply delay.

On tom tuning it depends on what I am using the toms for (live, studio, etc) and also the depth of the toms. Are the toms fast, power, fusion, or classic - some companies fast and classic are the same, some aren't, but most of the major brands are consistent.

Live work, without triggers, I tend to tune the bottom head a half step lower than the top to increase sustain on my DW's and the same pitch on my Corder's. I tune both a half-step to two steps higher for studio work - depending on the temperature, humidity levels (though good studios will control both), and the sound needed for a particular piece. The finger pinch technique works well with initial tightening when changing toms heads - and break them in slowly, tune them to pitch, play them for 15 - 20 minutes, then tune them to pitch again, and continue this until the heads have broken in.

Snares can be a trick: you want the bottom head tight enough for good resonance but loose enough for good snare vibration (and don't forget the snare tension adjustments). Because of the differences in materials, heads, depths, and taste - this is something an experienced drummer just has to experiment with, but good rule-of-thumb on a typical size snare (14x4.5 to 14x6) have the bottom head slightly tighter than the top batter head.

The Bass Drum tuning is fairly straight forward (for the lowest pitch), and I am including a link to a video for the technique (please excuse the shameless Evans product plugs in the video for their muffling systems). I personally do not have port holes in most of my BD resonance heads (the 24x18 Corder being the exception) - I like the closed sound and feel, and tune and muffle my BD's accordingly.
This is just what works for me, and not hard rules for tuning. Evans has a whole series of videos by Bob Gatzen that have some good basics and techniques on drum set tuning - and I disagree with some of his tuning suggestions, but his mechanical techniques in getting the most out of a drum and head are sound.

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Old 02-10-2011, 04:38 PM
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Re: opinions fellow drummers......


Thanks for all that , I'm hoping to order my drums tomorrow and pick them up on Saturday , I will ask them to change the heads to the Remo power stroke 3's that you recommended , I cant see / hear them sounding any worse than the Evans heads that come supplied with the kit ! . I shall let you know my impressions sometime over the weekend .

Thanks for all your input and help on this thread .

Superkruper . Yorkshire , England . ( the breeding ground for some of the best bands the world has ever heard , never much in the way of technical ability , unless your counting The Police ! , and all that prog rock stuff !!!!!!! but blood sweat , soul and heart sound so much better and real . I'm not dissing American bands by the way but I grew up with all that over produced metal that seemed to pour across the big pond . Steeley dan , white denim , Iggy , Simon and Garfunkel are but a few who have had a massive impact on my life both musically and emotionally .
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Let us know how it turns out - the set and heads.
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Think I'm going to get a Gretsch Catalina club rock , it will suit the style of music our band produces and my budget , at £649 it will leave me enough to buy some nice heads and maybe a new 16 crash as mine has a small break in it .

What heads do you suggest I use for such a kit ?
dude for £200 more you can get a cool fight the ladies off with a big stick Ludwig cs Elite that will piss your guitarist right off! because everyone will be around your kit like at some sort of car rally ........its Birch so great for studio or live work and 9ply and loud so ya bass can hear it.....get it for you not the band dude rule number one in the drummer code get it for you!

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