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Old 08-12-2006, 10:04 AM
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What to buy?


I'm looking to buy a small 4 piece kit for an upstairs jam room. I'm a guitar player, not a drummer, but I can drum some. I want it for home recordings and practice. I don't want to buy a toy; nor do I want to break the bank. I've been looking at the Ludwig Accent Custum Elite 5 piece sets (305 size) and the Gretsch Catalina Club jazz or Club Mod sets (4 piece). Any thoughts on these drum kits? Any thoughts on birch vs. mahogony (the Ludwig is birch; the Gretsch is mahogony). Also, any other manufacturer suggestions for small sized kits?
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Old 08-13-2006, 09:30 PM
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Gretsch makes some quality stuff. The music store near me got a catalina club kit in, and I must say it looks smokin'. It's a nice little jazz kit.
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Old 08-13-2006, 09:38 PM
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I'd suggest changing your focus from new "budget" kits to second-hand, higher-quality kits. You'll get more value for your money, IMHO.
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Old 08-17-2006, 03:10 AM
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I'd suggest changing your focus from new "budget" kits to second-hand, higher-quality kits. You'll get more value for your money, IMHO.
I'd have to disagree. While you maybe can get a better series kit for less cash, you must remember, this instrument is made to be whacked. Like cars, they can hide a lot of underlying problems that you may not look for unless you're pretty savvy.

If I were you, I'd go new and make sure you get what you pay for.

Of your options, I'd deffinately go grestch. Birch sucks.
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Old 08-17-2006, 11:05 AM
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I'd have to disagree. While you maybe can get a better series kit for less cash, you must remember, this instrument is made to be whacked. Like cars, they can hide a lot of underlying problems that you may not look for unless you're pretty savvy.
Perhaps, but I'd respectfully submit that drums are nowhere near as complex as cars.

If our original poster, as a guitarist, lacks confidence about being able to determine the quality of a given instrument - new or used, for that matter - I'd suggest bringing along a drummer friend to check out the instrument in question prior to the actual purchase. Buy him lunch for his troubles - it'll be money well spent.

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If I were you, I'd go new and make sure you get what you pay for.
When buying something brand new off the showroom floor, they're also paying for the depreciation that takes place whenever one buys anything brand new. You mentioned cars. Go buy a brand new $20,000 car, and the moment you drive it off the lot, it loses several thousand dollars in value, simply because it is no longer "new." You've only driven it 1/4 mile, but good luck trying to sell it for the same price you paid just minutes before. That depreciation has taken place at your expense - it's no longer "new." On a smaller scale, the same holds true for drums. One can get greater value for one's money, by letting someone else eat the cost of depreciation.

In my experience, for the "street value new" of these entry-level kits, that same money can often buy a semi-pro or professional-level kit.

I haven't played the Gretsch kits in question (outside of very brief playing in music stores), so I won't comment on them. I played in the house band for a jazz jam session for several weeks earlier this summer, and the house kit was a Ludwig Accent. It was OK. The tom mounts were a bit wobbly, but other than that it seemed fairly secure. In terms of the sound, it showed the same tendencies I've noticed from most entry-level kits: the bass drum sounded very good, the toms sounded OK, and the snare drum was useable, but not anything special.

If our original poster does indeed go with a new entry-level kit, the good news is that the general quality of kits in this price range - in terms of both sound and sturdiness - has improved markedly over the past twenty five years or so. Back when I was in high school, an "entry level" kit was something that you bought expecting it to sound lousy and fall apart within the year. Nowadays, this same price range has some drums that will sound very good (with good heads and tuning), and which have fairly good hardware.

Based on some of the drum sets my students have bought, I'd say that while the Accents are good, I think that in terms of new kits in that price range I like the Tama "Superstar" and Premier "Cabria" lines better, in terms of sound and the hardware. One caveat: that comment is based on how the drums sound, look, and seem to be designed, right out of the box. These kits were bought about a year ago by my students, and thus far, I haven't had them come into their lessons reporting problems with the drums, but in fairness I haven't checked out the instruments after a year of use.

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Of your options, I'd deffinately go grestch. Birch sucks.
Gretsch is fine.

Birch does not inherently "suck."

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Old 08-17-2006, 11:20 AM
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I'd suggest changing your focus from new "budget" kits to second-hand, higher-quality kits. You'll get more value for your money, IMHO.
Looking back at my statement, let me amend it to read as follows:

I'd suggest expanding your focus to include second-hand, higher-quality kits as well as new "budget" kits. You often can get more value for your money, IMHO, buying "used."

I think that expresses my opinion more accurately.
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Old 08-18-2006, 12:32 AM
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malletjazz brings up some good points but I think there are pros and cons to this approach. Of course, the higher quality kits are better, you don't quite know what you're getting if you're buying them second hand. In the end you could be getting ripped off. At least with the budget kits you know what you're going to get if you're getting them brand new.
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Old 08-18-2006, 12:38 AM
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Of course, the higher quality kits are better, you don't quite know what you're getting if you're buying them second hand. In the end you could be getting ripped off.
??

You know what you're getting if you play them (and inspect them) before you buy them, don't you?

I wouldn't recommend buying any instrument - brand new, or otherwise - without playing it first.
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Old 08-18-2006, 12:42 AM
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Well I agree but I was thinking more towards Ebay purchases and drum sets you might not know everything about. I'm sure drum sets also depreciate (like cars) somewhat over time, no?
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