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Old 07-26-2005, 12:35 AM
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well im sure this is a pretty noobish question but what are chinas used for in songs and stuff? They sound really trashy and I'm just wondering where you u guys use them and how u apply them to the song... some examples would be great.. thanks!
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Old 07-26-2005, 08:28 AM
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Well chinas are a great cymbal to have I have to of them and would like to have anouther one.

I think myself along with a lot of other drummers use them as a type of accent in a song.
I mean that is the job of all your cymbals but chinas have a very destinct sound (trashy) some more than others.
they can be used in a very wide varity of music.
the best thing I can tell you is get a non exspinsive one like a wuhan and exsperment with it.
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Old 07-26-2005, 03:54 PM
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A china is just used as an accent just like full metal said. as for an application in a song or for drumset use i have seen many jazz players use them as rides and some times i have seen other drummers use them with another cymbal to create a really trashy hi-hat type sound. but if you are looking for one and your strapped for cash go for a wuhan china cymbal but dont get anything smaller than an 18"
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Old 07-28-2005, 03:23 AM
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yeah this reminds me to change things up and get a china one of these days.. i never really considered it but i would love to have that trashy sound in my repotoire..
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Old 07-30-2005, 01:11 PM
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A china is just used as an accent just like full metal said. as for an application in a song or for drumset use i have seen many jazz players use them as rides and some times i have seen other drummers use them with another cymbal to create a really trashy hi-hat type sound. but if you are looking for one and your strapped for cash go for a wuhan china cymbal but dont get anything smaller than an 18"
why not get anything smaller than a 18 inch? depends on what sound you're looking for really
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Old 07-30-2005, 04:13 PM
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why do they call it a china anyway?
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Old 08-04-2005, 01:42 PM
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Here's some info I found if you're wondering:

In western music, china type cymbals are cymbals deliberately manufactured to have a "trashy" tone in some ways similar to a chau gong.

China type cymbals from three continents. China type cymbals typically have a bell that is cylindrical or shaped like a truncated cone with its base the top of the bell, an outer rim that is turned up in the reverse direction to the main bow of the cymbal, little or no taper (change in thickness) from bell to rim, and an area including the inside of the bell that is unpolished. However some china type cymbals have only some or in some cases none of these distinguishing characteristics. The distinguishing feature of a china type cymbal is the one that is hardest to define: Its sound. China cymbals are those whose sounds are derived from the Chinese, rather than the Turkish, tradition of cymbal making.

There are two or three tonal families of cymbals: Turkish, Chinese, and some would say European, although others would include the European family of tones as a development of the Turkish sounds. The best Turkish (and European) cymbals have a rich, swelling tone that some describe as "sweet". To western ears, the best china types have an abrasive, cutting sound that is described by western drummers as "trashy".


Detail of a conical bellThe families do to some extent overlap. Notably, pang and swish cymbals have some characteristics of china types, and some characteristics of traditional Turkish cymbals. On the other hand, the Sabian roctagon cymbals and some Ufip models are considered china types while having none of the physical characteristics of the normal china type, while the Paiste crystal crash is considered a European cymbal despite its squarish bell.

Cymbal making in China is claimed to predate the development of the art anywhere else in the world. The most universally acclaimed cymbal alloy, bell bronze, appears to have been independently developed in China. Today in China a wide range of cymbals are manufactured of both traditional and imported patterns. Traditional Chinese types with distinctive names and sounds include chung, jing and water cymbals and many other types. In Western music these are all referred to as china type cymbals.

China type cymbals are available in a wide range of sizes from 27" down to 6", most types singly but some in pairs. Those smaller than 12" are normally referred to in Western music as china splash cymbals. When used in a drum kit, they are regarded as effects cymbals and are used to give colour and variety.

In a drum kit, china type cymbals are sometimes mounted bell up, similarly to other cymbals, but more often bell down. When mounted bell down, the upturned rim becomes a downturned rim, allowing a normal stick technique to be used for both ride and crash patterns. This assumes that the bell is formed in the typical direction; Some china type cymbals have an inverted bell and an upturned rim, and so must be mounted bell up to achieve this downwards rim orientation.

If a Turkish pattern cymbal is mounted bell downwards, the rim is exposed to the stick, and there is a considerable risk of splitting the cymbal, but it is notable that if mounted in this way despite the risk (and played gently), many Turkish pattern cymbals will produce a "trashy" tone of sorts. This trashy tone is generally considered much inferior to that of a genuine china type cymbal. On the other hand, many (NB not all) china types can be mounted either way up as desired, as the relatively thick rim is resistant to splitting, giving yet more tonal possibilities.
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Old 08-04-2005, 01:43 PM
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why do they call it a china anyway?
I'm thinking it's because the trashy sound of the chinas resemble the gongs and cymbals of Chinese history
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Re: noobish question about chinas


I've got three Wuhan chinas - a 10", a 14"ad an 18". The 10 incher is a cross between a china and splash - explosive trashy explosion with sharp decay. The bigger ones have a definite musical quality, especially the 18" which is brash and gongy. The 14" has a more high-pitched washy timbre. Try this for tone searching - I mount the 10-incher bell down above the 18-incher bell up, separted by a thin felt. The Wuhan bells are traditional chinese shape, and are quite high and solid. When you crash quickly between them and accent contemporarily with the snare, the power is unbelievable, an the rapid decay adds to the waddahelldidhedo factor! And don't be deceived by the price - I swapped out my Paiste chinas for these.
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Re: noobish question about chinas


I wasn't looking for a china before, but You guys have convinced me to go listen to some.
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