[The Moeller Killer]

Originally Posted by Der Trommler

I have found that polyrhythmic drumming is the same as other styles of drumming in that some do it very well and can put some artistry into it, and others try to do it fast with little or no musical quality which results in "muddy" sounding rhythms.

You my friend are quite good at it from what I have heard.

Thank you I appreciate that and
am glad you enjoy my ideas. I also very
much agree with your opinion on that as I
have always tried to make them groove or just
sound good and not just wow someone from a technical standpoint.
That really never interested or made much sense to me.

[The Moeller Killer]

Originally Posted by butter

hey D00d, ill be getting your dvd after watching that video

welcome to the forum. now im off to youtube.

Thank you for the welcome.
I am glad you enjoyed it and hopefully
it inspired you and maybe provided some thought
provoking ideas for your own drumming.

SD

[slingerland59]

Originally Posted by The Moeller Killer

Actually it isn't the moeller technique at all....I do not rely on the rebound but rather, I stroke
every note. Always have.

I'm glad you said that. I've always found that the Moeller technique videos on Youtube are silly. The drummers do the exaggerated stroke, rebound thing very slowly, but then of course they move into single strokes as they go faster. There's no great mystery in that.

I wish people, including drummers, would keep things simple. The beauty of drumming is in the tonal quality, rhythms, and dynamics. We can all achieve that, not just a select few who claim to have unravelled hidden mysteries.

Drumming shouldn't be like lawyering, where legalese is used to mystify us, to keep distance between lawyers and nonlawyers.

I think the difference between drummers and nondrummers is that we hear rhythms in our head all the time and are obsessed with bringing them to life. The difference between good drummers and great drummers is maybe that the great ones have more tools in their toolbag so they can make the rhythms soar.

[Tainojim]

Hey 59, what tools do you keep in that drum cup you installed in your car.

[dtxtremeiiispecial]

Seth,
In my opinion, we play drums in order to play songs and music. Your videos present insane speed, insane solos, moeller killing, and, obviously, your magnificently high skill level applied to drumming. I don't see the connections to songs and music, however. Nor did I ever hear one truly excellent groove in your videos, while I heard many today at a Simon Phillips Master Clinic.
Please make the connection between your moeller-killing and the effective playing of songs and music.

[The Moeller Killer]

Originally Posted by slingerland59

I'm glad you said that. I've always found that the Moeller technique videos on Youtube are silly. The drummers do the exaggerated stroke, rebound thing very slowly, but then of course they move into single strokes as they go faster. There's no great mystery in that.

I wish people, including drummers, would keep things simple. The beauty of drumming is in the tonal quality, rhythms, and dynamics. We can all achieve that, not just a select few who claim to have unravelled hidden mysteries.

Drumming shouldn't be like lawyering, where legalese is used to mystify us, to keep distance between lawyers and nonlawyers.

I think the difference between drummers and nondrummers is that we hear rhythms in our head all the time and are obsessed with bringing them to life. The difference between good drummers and great drummers is maybe that the great ones have more tools in their toolbag so they can make the rhythms soar.

Could not have said it any better.
I have used the statement " We make things much harder than they really are"
with students for years and years. What baffles me is what you stated, that they make something so simplistic out to be an unsolvable mystery. That goes to my next point. The most often question I get asked is.. I can play proficiently on a pad but when I go to move around the drumset my hands and technique fall apart, why is that? Why do I not have the body of a swimmer or gymnist is what I say among others.. It is not brain surgery. I just find it interesting yet comical that one cannot understand this.

[The Moeller Killer]

Originally Posted by dtxtremeiiispecial

Seth,
In my opinion, we play drums in order to play songs and music. Your videos present insane speed, insane solos, moeller killing, and, obviously, your magnificently high skill level applied to drumming. I don't see the connections to songs and music, however. Nor did I ever hear one truly excellent groove in your videos, while I heard many today at a Simon Phillips Master Clinic.
Please make the connection between your moeller-killing and the effective playing of songs and music.

The Connection:

YouTube - Seth Davis - 2006 Studio Album

Prog album recorded with Berklee Musicians in 2005.

[dtxtremeiiispecial]

Thanks for your response, Seth.

[The Moeller Killer]

Originally Posted by dtxtremeiiispecial

Thanks for your response, Seth.

You're welcome, anytime.

[Tainojim]

Great demo display Seth. Some really pricey mics too.

Marshall, Ampeg & Fender amps, I've repaired some of them. Gretsch and Fender Guitars.

Was that a Hammond Baby B-3?

Really nice mixer. Not as huge as my son's.

If you ever come to NYC during your tour, stop by Electric Lady Recording Studios. West 8th street near 6th avenue.

You'll have a really great time there.

So when does the tour start?

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