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Old 08-02-2006, 05:39 PM
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Zildjian ZBT 4-Piece Cymbal Set


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The Zildjian ZBT 4-Piece Cymbal Set with 18" China and Cymbal Bag includes a 20" ride, 16" crash, and a pair of 14" hi-hats. These are entry-level cymbals made...

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By Cymbals & Snares on 04-11-2010, 02:02 AM
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Re: Zildjian ZBT 4-Piece Cymbal Set

These are absolute junk. I want to emphasise I'm not knocking any of you newbie for purchasing them. You have fallen for a multi miliion dollar advertizing campaign that says anything with Zildjian stamped on it is a quality product. Well it just ain't so. In a day or two It's 2:00 am 4/11 sunday morning and I'm outta juice. But I will review a brand of entry level cymbals that absolutely blow away anything the BIG3 offer in the same price range. They're excellent quality cymbals in every price range. You just have to be willing to believe a company who's name isn't Zildjian, Sabian or paiste can produce cymbals that are as good or BETTER than the BIG3 for roughly the same price. Entry level education starts hopefully tomorrow. T
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By Maine Railfan on 05-31-2010, 11:05 AM
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I got the 6 piece ZBT set with a 10" and 8" splash.... The crash cracked after maybe 6 months, the ride sounds horrible, the splashes are very flimsy.... I don't dare to use them!! The upper hat is cracked BADLY and I think my next investment will be some Sabian B8s, I replaced my crash with the B8s and I'm pleased, now for the hard part.... saving the $$$$ to replace it all...
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By drumechoes on 06-13-2010, 06:40 PM
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Re: Zildjian ZBT 4-Piece Cymbal Set

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As you progress as an artist you'll learn that cymbal sounds are as unique as a fingerprints. Even the same 18" A custom will sound a tad different in their attack, sustain and tonal quality from another 18" A Custom. But even with that said their is a significant difference from the ZBT line to the A Custom or K/Z line. The quality and craftsmanship that goes into A/K/Z cymbals cannot be compared to these lower end "pressed" type cymbals. The metals, tonal groves, bells, ect... all go through a much different process to produce a higher quality cymbal.

They would work well on a practice kit or for the beginner that has a limited cash flow but should not be considered for a stage or recording session. If you do I'm afraid you and your audience will be greatly disappointed. I to started with extremely poor cymbals early in my drumming career but can say honestly that I saved more money and time by buying the best cymbals I could with the money I had. Slowly replacing every cymbal in my collection with high quality pieces. It took many years but some of the cymbals I play with are well over ten years old and getting better with age.

These guys that are saying the B8's are better, ok they may be, for a low end cymbal. But compare the B8's to the Hand Hammer series and you'll see how bad they sound also. An entry level cymbal is an entry level cymbal.

I don't mean to get on a soap box for my first post on these forums but if I can help someone with this it's worth it. Take some time, do your research and buy quality cymbals that can last you a life time. Also don't forget that many drummers will buy high end cymbals and then sell them later looking for a different sound. And there is nothing wrong with that. Their loss can be your gain. Many of my cymbals are used, especially my K's and I got them well below half price new. I personally think you would be better off searching for some used quality cymbals if your strapped for cash versus buying low end new cymbals that you will most likely end up junking in the coming years looking for that fat sound in your crash or the ping in your ride versus the sound of trash cans slamming into a tin roof.

So the moral of the story.....buy quality cymbals........If you have to start with these then so be it, just have a plan to replace them before you get serious.

Beginner=Ok
Novice to Pro= Bad (not to mention you'll be laughed at )

JBJ
I would agree with JBJ on all accounts...however.... in today's economic landscape it is neither practical nor realistic to say to a beginning or intermediate drummer to go out and spend 1 or 2X the amount he spent on his drum kit for cymbals. Most start up bands or drummers do not have that kind of cash flow. I am an experienced drummer and I was out of the game for awhile but recently within the last few years decided to commit to a gigging band again. If I followed your advice strictly, I would have to purchase a Percussion plus set and with the money leftover from what would have gone towards a Yamaha or Pearl set, buy the As or Ks....that to me would be just as big a disaster.

JBJ, you are correct, ZBT is not going to produce like the Ks or Custom A's, hell...no one can argue that, I would LOVE to have the As or Ks or Sabians for that matter...but at the same time ZBTs by themselves ARE REALLY NOT THAT BAD. My advice to all musicians, has been the same as yours; buy the best instruments you can with the money you have. For the interm the ZBTs handle the task. I have listened to the cymbals in recordings and I can tell you I honestly cannot tell a significant difference between the ZBTs and host of other higher end cymbals. Maybe someone else can...but damn, I just can't.

And those guys that break the ZBT cymbals I would simply like to ask, what the heck are you using to hit them with? A sledge hammer, bonham style? I cant believe anyone hitting hard(and I don't hit "soft"), could break these things. Sorry if anyone disagrees but that's where I stand.
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By jblackmd on 06-28-2010, 06:29 PM
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Re: Zildjian ZBT 4-Piece Cymbal Set

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I would agree with JBJ on all accounts...however.... in today's economic landscape it is neither practical nor realistic to say to a beginning or intermediate drummer to go out and spend 1 or 2X the amount he spent on his drum kit for cymbals. Most start up bands or drummers do not have that kind of cash flow. I am an experienced drummer and I was out of the game for awhile but recently within the last few years decided to commit to a gigging band again. If I followed your advice strictly, I would have to purchase a Percussion plus set and with the money leftover from what would have gone towards a Yamaha or Pearl set, buy the As or Ks....that to me would be just as big a disaster.

JBJ, you are correct, ZBT is not going to produce like the Ks or Custom A's, hell...no one can argue that, I would LOVE to have the As or Ks or Sabians for that matter...but at the same time ZBTs by themselves ARE REALLY NOT THAT BAD. My advice to all musicians, has been the same as yours; buy the best instruments you can with the money you have. For the interm the ZBTs handle the task. I have listened to the cymbals in recordings and I can tell you I honestly cannot tell a significant difference between the ZBTs and host of other higher end cymbals. Maybe someone else can...but damn, I just can't.

And those guys that break the ZBT cymbals I would simply like to ask, what the heck are you using to hit them with? A sledge hammer, bonham style? I cant believe anyone hitting hard(and I don't hit "soft"), could break these things. Sorry if anyone disagrees but that's where I stand.
I bought a ZBT 16" crash on Ebay for about 70 bucks. At first I thought it sounded great, but the more I used it the more it irritated me. My hats are A customs and the ride is a 20" Avedis, so the crash didn't seem to quite fit. It certainly is rugged enough and didn't break or anything like that. A few weeks ago I was in guitar center, and they get a ton of good used stuff. I picked up a Zildjian A brilliant medium thin crash 16", also for about 70 bucks, which sounds worlds better and I have both set up.

Cymbals are really expensive, so I can see getting a ZBT set to start, but then add in good cymbals when you can. Good heads and tuning make worlds of difference to a set, and a starter set can sound really good if it is tuned. But cymbals are what they are, and you can't change them. My own thoughts are that you can buy cheap on the set, add good heads and learn how to tune them, but don't compromise on the cymbals.
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By redbeard on 01-11-2011, 05:25 PM
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Re: Zildjian ZBT 4-Piece Cymbal Set

I agree with the statement earlier about not mixing these with higher end cymbals. Don't do it! In my experience, the 18" China is a bit out of place. The gong like sound was a bit long in the decay area. I have the 10" splash that seems to connect well with the other Zildjian A customs on my set. It would have been better to save my money and bought a better china cymbal. That being said, for a student on a tight budget, this pack looks good.
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